So now on to the good bit, I published a rather unexpected result I had from my motor and it is out there in the archives of groups like jln and Adams motor for everyone to go check on if you can be bothered and some of you who have been around long enough might actually remember, the post goes a bit like this .... I found that when I removed one of the 16 magnets on my rotor and placed the rotor so that the hole where the missing magnet had been was aligned with the coil and let it go that it proceeded to rotate for half a rotation, past 6 magnets, of equal strength to the one I had removed and finally rocking to a stop on the 7th magnet. Eventually I utilised this by using only 2 pulses together on 2 magnets to cause the motor to rotate a complete turn with all its magnets in place. Usually at this point I would stop and leave the ball in your court with something like well there is all the info you need, can you see the FE that is hidden there, but hey I just threw you a low output OU device so I might as well show you a low output FE device and be done with it, cause the odds of anyone stopping reading this right here and right now and having the answer is like a million to 1, but I would sure be keen to hear from you if you are that 1 ? If you are a member of the jln group you will know that a couple of years back when this all occurred this group was the hub and probably still pretty much is, in this arena, everyone with any understanding of FE and OU was there and with over 1000 members and probably around 50 active contributing members I find it hard to believe that no one, including myself, saw the value in what I had discovered, but then again in all fairness I was just new and I wasn't looking for it so I didn't see it and this is possibly true of everyone else. So what is it that everyone missed well its FE, in the most impossible form available, a permanent magnet motor, how could you possibly read that and not suggest that removal of the magnet opposite of the first one removed, which resulted in the rotation of the rotor half a turn, would result in the rotor rotating a complete circle, even better why not take out every 4th magnet and give it some oomph when it spins and more importantly why didn't I or you or anyone else think of it at the time or now. I don't think the same as I used to about all this and if this doesn't convince you then nothing will, but I repeat this is not anything to do with the high output device that is currently under discussion. Garry Stanley Cable.net.nz